Dallas Cowboys Real Talk with Tony Casillas | Episode 286
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Two-Time Cowboys Super Bowl champ and College Football Hall of Famer Tony Casillas joins TMG in studio!
We discuss the shocking Micah trade, how it impacts the Cowboys’ chances this season, and the never-ending Jerry Jones “Circus.”
And as someone who was around for the Cowboys’ “Glory Days,” Tony has some stories you may have never heard!
Plus, Tony shares some great perspective on youth sports madness, and most importantly, that new papi life!
All that and more on this week’s episode of The Mom Game! Thank you as always to our amazing sponsors for making this week’s show possible.
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special for you. For a while. I'm ready to drink it, Emily. Speaker 0
Happening right now. Uh-oh. This this is unfortunate. Oh, dear. Oh, dear. It's alright. It's alright. Speaker 1
Okay. It is. Scares me. I know it's coming, but it still scares me. Speaker 0
It's a coveted Coppola Blanc de Blanc. Speaker 2
De Blanc. Speaker 1
It's actually Speaker 0
it's Francis Coppola wine, but it's under the Sofia label. Uh-huh. Sofia, who obviously is Francis Ford Coppola's daughter, who is a badass in her own right. I think we should get to meet Frances and Sofia at some point. Speaker 1
I know. As We've been drinking a lot of their wine. Yeah. I feel like surely that's, like, the only prerequisite to getting to meet them. Say like, hey. Mhmm. Speaker 0
So our guest today, as we deep tease, Tony Casillas, former Dallas cowboy, former former Oklahoma Sooner Yeah. Love them. Has actually visited the Coppola Winery. Speaker 1
Yeah. It's so cool. Speaker 0
Yeah. And said it was really cool. Speaker 1
I really wanna go. Speaker 0
Like, not just wine stuff, but it was there was, like, movie shit too because of all the movie. Speaker 1
Because they make movies. Speaker 0
They do make movies and wine. Very good wine. Speaker 1
Okay. Cheers. Cheers. Back. Happy Labor Day post Labor Day. Speaker 0
Yeah. Happy post Labor Day. How was yours? How's your house doing? Just tell everyone what happened on Friday. Speaker 1
Question that gives you hives. Speaker 0
Because every like last week, I had to take a drink before I before you answered the question, are you still in a VRBO? The answer was no. We celebrated. It was great. And then what happened after that, Julie? Speaker 1
Oh, yeah. I forgot already. Isn't that the good thing about my brain? It is. I forget the we we had to move out to a hotel for one night, because they started painting. I think it might have been, like, a day before we thought they were gonna start painting, because we had the trip planned to go to, Llano, our ranch for Labor Day to get out, but to also, like, leave the house, for Speaker 0
because paint is strong. Speaker 1
Paint is strong, I learned. But they started while I was out running some errands, I guess, the other day, Thursday. Not yeah. Thursday day. So I came home, and, I mean, it was bad. It was pungent. It was like, gave me an immediate headache. And We were on a call, and Speaker 0
you mentioned it. You're like, woah. This is pretty strong. Speaker 1
Yeah. It was really strong. And then I had another call at three o'clock that I, like, barely got through. And, I I it was crazy. Like, immediate headache. Speaker 0
Yeah. Speaker 1
Bad. And then Ryder came home, and then he was having a little bit of an off day, which might have been because of the paint. And it was just, like, all hell breaking loose. But I knew that I didn't want Anna to be there. So we moved to a hotel. So we had one night in a hotel. I think I texted you and Jasmine, like, don't know, right, when I was going to bed. I was like, just so y'all know. I think Speaker 0
you'll love this information. And then you added, like, we're in a hotel, and then you added the caveat of, and we just walked Speaker 1
to dinner to Benihana or something? To Benihana in the rain. My poor kids. Like Speaker 0
your car work? Speaker 1
At what Speaker 0
point does CPS get called? Don't say that. Speaker 1
Like, this morning's Anna like Anna's like, mom, can I please just have a packed lunch? I was like, no, honey. Not right now. We don't have a kitchen. I don't have food. Like, I finally found a little, like, Tupperware to put some stuff in, but it was out on the table in the backyard, and it wasn't clean. But I don't have a sink, and I didn't wanna clean it in the yeah. It's just a lot. So it's like, no. Just buy your lunch. Just a couple more days. Yeah. We're almost there. Speaker 0
So is the is there a light at the end of this tunnel? Speaker 1
Well, yes. I think so. I missed a call while we were shooting from my contractor. So, we're talking, I think, countertops. Okay. Yeah. So we're getting there. We're getting there. And I'm hoping they're finishing up painting today. The furniture is all still I came home, and I was like, maybe it'll all be done. But the furniture is all still pushed to the middle of the room. Yep. It looks like maybe it's just the primer on a couple of walls. So, hopefully, they wrap that up soon. And then we'll carry on. Speaker 0
Carry on. Yeah. Yeah. With stuff. Speaker 1
With stuff. So I don't know at this point. It's probably, like, I bet realistically, maybe two weeks, you know Okay. For the kitchen to be all the way done, maybe a week. I don't know what's stopping them at this point. I feel like we could go in there and finish today if they wanted, but I don't know what I'm talking about. Speaker 0
Yeah. So, Speaker 1
so hopefully, we're getting close. And then the backyard people are doing turf tomorrow and Friday, and he thinks by Saturday, they might be done. Or sorry, whatever day. Two days this week, and then he thinks by Saturday, they might be done. So at least we can maybe go swimming and stuff. Speaker 0
Light at the end of the tunnel. Speaker 1
Yeah. I think so. But it's looking great. Speaker 0
It it? I bet it is. It is. Speaker 2
And I Speaker 0
know the floors look great because you text me texted me a picture of those, and they look great. I gotta fit I should fit my great Speaker 1
frosting. Oh, dear. Speaker 0
Yep. There we go. Okay. Speaker 1
There we go. Sure. What's new in Speaker 0
your world? Nothing. I had a very low key weekend because I was solo for the vast majority of it. Henry and Mike went down to the coast fishing, and Hattie wanted to go to Graham to hang out with family there. And so Friday, I had lunch in Maj with the girls at the house. Mhmm. And then Saturday, literally laid on the couch all day, watched college football. Mhmm. Cooked up some fajitas, for my niece and her boyfriend and my mom. And then Sunday, got so much shit done. It was unreal. And then went and got Hattie, and we had a wedding on Sunday night, her, volleyball coach. Speaker 1
Oh, fun. Speaker 0
Sweet Kristen. Yeah. We love crew. We've had Kristen forever. So, anyway, went to her wedding reception because they had already gotten married in Banff, which was absolutely beautiful. They showed Speaker 2
the video. Speaker 0
It was gorgeous. Speaker 1
Mhmm. Speaker 0
Yeah. And then Monday, more chores and stuff, food prep for the week. Big food prep girl now. Speaker 2
Thank Speaker 0
you. So, yeah, made fried rice, chicken fried rice on the black stone. For okay. Whatever it's called. Speaker 1
For when? Like, we had it for dinner last night. Okay. So tell me about his food prepping. Speaker 0
So Henry, you know, is in his bulking era. And so I make, like, ground beef, to put in his eggs because I make him eggs with ground beef in the mornings. Sounds good. Yeah. And then, he likes hot lunches. And so, just making sure we have, like, rice and a protein to put in his thermos. Speaker 1
So And then he warms it up there? Speaker 0
No. The you'd remember thermosets? Speaker 1
Oh, thermoses keep it warm Speaker 0
versus thermosetting. Yes. Speaker 1
Mhmm. Speaker 0
Thermoses are really awesome. Mhmm. So yeah. Yeah. So pretty uneventful. Lot so much football. Watched so much football. Yeah. Loved it. I'm so glad it's back. Yeah. So, yeah, we could talk more about that in sports courts if we don't have anything else to, carry on about. Mhmm. But, yeah, super please, please, please give Tony Casillas a listen in this episode. He was awesome. Speaker 1
So good. We covered all the sports sports with him. Speaker 0
All we covered all the sports. We covered the parenting. We covered crazy youth sports. We covered crazy professional sports. Speaker 1
It's all crazy. That's the comedy. College sports. Speaker 0
Pretty much. Everything is crazy. Speaker 1
Crazy nineties cow Oh. Speaker 0
Yeah. So lots to talk about with Tony, and he had some stories that I hadn't heard before, which is really fun, especially after watching the documentary Speaker 2
Mhmm. Speaker 0
On the cowboys. You kinda thought they would have told them all, but there's there's still plenty to be told according to Tony. Yeah. So, anyway, alright. Let's get a little sports squirtsy with, our friends at Baylor Scott and White. Speaker 1
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Okay. Speaking of Sunny Dykes, the frogs just rolled in their opener on Labor Day evening. Forty eight to fourteen over North Carolina and, of course, Bill Belichick. It was, you know, I don't know if you watched much of it. But I don't have a TV. Oh, that's So, anyway, North Carolina came out first possession and just, like I think it was, like, seven plays and just was in the end zone. And, of course, I'm married to a horned frog, and he's like, I mean, we may lose ten games this year. And I'm like, oh my god. I'm a bunch of drive. Right. So TCU got punched in the mouth on that first drive, and then it was all TCU after that. Forty eight fourteen was the final. But Bill Speaker 1
didn't have an answer? Speaker 0
Bill did not have an answer, and it just it I just keep going back to what it what on earth is this man thinking? What is he thinking? What is he doing? What is he thinking? I know he's trying to set his son up, but, like, don't he is does he have to do this in order to ensure that his son is gonna be Speaker 2
No. Speaker 1
But don't you think that he's just so obsessed with football? He doesn't wanna go sit on this his couch. Speaker 0
Wait. He's so obsessed with football and control because, like, he could have had an NFL job, but there was too many strings attached, and North Carolina was, like, the first one that bit. But, anyway, whatever. Our our friend, Sonny Dykes, made the comment afterward that, you know, he felt like that they were a little disrespected because all the talk was about Bill Belichick in North Carolina and all that kind of stuff. And they experienced it last year with Deion Sanders. Colorado was their first game, with Deion Sanders versus TCU. So it was it's kind of a back to back seasons of this kind of stuff. But, or was it last season or maybe it was the season before? Anyway, I can't remember. Whenever Deion's first game was. So, anyway, that was the kind of, like, the cherry on top of the the college football opening weekend, and it was glorious. Yeah. I mean, the Texas Alabama game I'm sorry. Texas, Ohio State game was boring, but it was still exciting. Speaker 1
Oh, yeah. But it was boring. Watched that with a bunch of Longhorns. Speaker 0
Yeah. It was boring. And it's just I never it's Speaker 1
I They were all, like well, the big deal was Arch Manning's debut, of course, and I guess he didn't look very good. I only saw the end of the game. Speaker 0
He not only didn't look good, he, like, he didn't look fundamentally sound as a quarterback. Yeah. It was funny. Weird throwing motions and He's probably super nervy. I guess so. But at at some point, don't you just revert back to I don't know. And I Maybe him won't do Speaker 2
I know. Speaker 1
Too much. No. Working on his mechanics. Speaker 0
I don't know. But he did not look good. And they're gonna be better. He's gonna look better. They're gonna look better. Speaker 1
The the dialogue from the Longhorn fans was that he was, not put in a good position to succeed in his first game. Speaker 0
Didn't do him any favors. Speaker 1
Calling, like, plays that he's used to, that he likes. They were being too safe. They were being too conservative until the end of the game when they finally needed to score. Yeah. So that's Yeah. Speaker 0
One drive, he looked really good. I mean, and they turned the ball over a couple times, and, Ohio State is good. You know? They're they, you know, they're they're good. Ohio State is Mhmm. Or who needs to slide to their left, Glenn? Okay. I was like, wait a minute. So, anyway, it's we'll see. I mean, it's I'm not saying it's an irrelevant game, but it's not like either no. Nobody's. If you lose in week one, no one's Yeah. Yeah. Getting counted out at the Speaker 1
time. Huge game off the Yeah. Top of the schedule. Speaker 0
And then the whole Miami Notre Dame game was awesome. Mhmm. The Florida State Alabama game, holy schnikes. Florida State looks good. Everyone's talking about how this Alabama just looks like shit, but I'm like, maybe Florida State's really good. They lost ten games last year, and they looked really good. But it was just a fun weekend. My Red Raiders got that big dub over somebody That's not very good. Uh-huh. Big dub. The big, huge dub. Well, listen. A win's a win. Right. Speaker 1
Anyway, we got a huge dub too. Speaker 0
Okay. Speaker 1
I mean, for somebody. That's not. Really good. And it was, like, sixty one to four. Speaker 2
I think Speaker 0
we were Arkansas Pine Bluff, maybe? I can't remember. Anyway, it was a very dominating performance as it should have been. Yeah. So, anyway, college football's back, and that's exciting. And it's still hot in Dallas Fort Worth, but it's not balls hot. We've gotten Speaker 1
a lot of rain, so it's cold in Speaker 0
a lot. Much rain. And it's, like, it's not eighty five when you wake up. It feels like there's a little crispness in the air. Feels nice. I love football season I Speaker 1
know you. Speaker 0
So much. I love it. So, yes, college football is back. Micah Parsons is a Green Bay Packer. The Cowboys kick off their season, on Thursday, which is the day the show will post. We are gonna talk about it all in-depth, with Tony Casillas a little bit later in the show. He's fantastic. We talk all the things. Old cowboys, current cowboys, Micah Parsons, the documentary, his philosophy and thoughts on crazy ass youth sports, all that all that fun stuff. But, yeah, Mike as a packer, I feel like it's been dissected. If I'm just breaking news to you, I apologize. And what rock have you been living under? But yeah. So it'll be interesting to see how how this team Speaker 1
looks. Yeah. Always looks going Speaker 0
up against the defending world champions, the Philadelphia Eagles Right. At their place Speaker 1
on Thursday night. Place. It's gonna be rough. Speaker 0
I'm done. The first game of Speaker 1
the season? Speaker 0
Yeah. So fun. Speaker 1
I'm not predicting good things Speaker 0
for the Cubs. So excited. Like, I I know. Love football season. Speaker 1
I know. Speaker 0
And I love it even more now that I don't cover it. Yeah. Like, I Yeah. That's real. So much more. Yeah. Because you're when you're when I was covering football, it was like you were so focused in on one game a week and doing all the studying and all that kind of stuff. And then while you were working that game, let's say it was a my favorite kicks were two thirty kicks. If it was a two thirty kick, then you're prepping, you know, you're in meetings and all that kind of stuff from, like, at least noon until and then by the time you get done doing everything you need to done need to do. So from, like, noon to seven, you're completely out of commission. Yeah. So you would miss all the eleven o'clock games. You'd miss all the two thirty games, and then you could catch, you know, the seven o'clock games. But it's so much more fun now that I'm not covering it. Speaker 1
The best thing in the world is having I think both of us, you way longer than me, but we both worked so many weekends too. Just, like, always had to work on Fridays or Saturdays or Sundays. And when you can just have a full on weekend and not have to worry about going anywhere, doing anything, especially when the weather cools down. You can just be on your couch, and you can, like, have the speakers on, the the surround sound, and just play some or watch some football and and hang out. Yeah. It's great. That's one of the reasons I love just heading out to the ranch too. We'll probably go back in October or November because you can really escape and then Yeah. Just hang out. But but, no, busy football weekend and, cowboys. I'm not expecting much. I'm not expecting much from them. Well, you are the cowboys prognosticator. I am. I did have to stay up late last night and cut my own foot. I woke Speaker 0
I woke up this morning at, like, five, and it was like I cut a clip of me saying I was right about the Micah Parsons trade, and I was like, okay. Okay. Julie, good noted. Julie voices better. You feeling I got a glove on me. Were you I was just wondering if, like, the whole height thing was you know, you needed, like, another you needed something to come back from full. I I don't Speaker 1
think that was no, I'm not admitting defeat there. Speaker 0
I'm clearly two inches taller than you. Speaker 1
You might be taller than me, but I don't but you're it was a it was a very, like, tiered conversation. It's not just about who's taller. It's about, are you five seven or five five? Speaker 0
Well, are you five five or Speaker 1
five three? We need to get a scientist here to measure it. Science Speaker 0
calling all scientists. Speaker 1
How else would we figure out how to call you? Speaker 0
We're not gonna let this rest. I mean, it's gonna there's gonna have to be some definitive answers. Speaker 1
There are, and there is a way to do that. We can be measured. Yeah. We can. Just like most things, we can be measured. And I'm happy to be measured live Same. On the air. I don't know what I'm fighting for even at this point or or what I even said or what's happening. Speaker 0
But you did predict the Micah Parsons trade. Speaker 1
I did. Speaker 0
You or you predicted that he would be traded? Speaker 1
Yes. Yeah. And I think it's, remember I was, like, trying so hard to make Trey Lance happen for, like, two seasons? Speaker 0
Oh my god. You loved him so much. Speaker 1
I was just, like, really determined that he wasn't getting a fair shot. Speaker 0
You you you died on the third and Speaker 1
fourth. No, like no. Nothing to really base it on. It more just became, like, a game within myself and, like, a little gamble because I don't gamble. Yeah. Like, well, if in my brain, like, I just think this might work out, and Speaker 0
then I'm gonna be like, I'm the one. Who said trailer Speaker 1
And that didn't work out. It didn't. But when I heard that Micah Parsons was actually traded and, like, the whole world was freaking out and there were, like, there were clips of people on ESPN, like, prior to this happening that morning saying, there's no way, you know, the big people that get all paid all the money, there's no way Jerry Jones would trade Micah Parsons. There's no way this is gonna happen. Speaker 0
This is Julie's mocking voice of all of you who said Micah Parsons wasn't gonna Speaker 1
be true. Everybody. It was what's his name, Skip and and Shannon. Speaker 0
And Is Skip still does he still have a show? Speaker 1
I don't know. Jesus Christ. Who's all the people. They're all like, there's no way Jerry would do that. Blah blah blah blah blah. And then bam, it happened. And I think there's only one person in all of the world Oh. That said that this might actually happen. Oh. And it was me. So Speaker 0
Okay. Well Speaker 1
I just had a feeling. Micah Parsons is a very emotional, like, probably immature Yeah. Speaker 0
But I don't Speaker 1
think this was on Emotionally this was Speaker 0
on them. Speaker 1
Well right. But I think that he just, well, I don't I mean, it was on both parties. Yeah. Micah wasn't gonna let it fade. Like, Micah wasn't just gonna let Jerry come in the end and say this is what I want. Yeah. He wasn't gonna let Jerry win. He felt he felt taken advantage of. Speaker 0
Scoot to your left again. I just got a text. Sorry. Speaker 1
What is going on? I don't know. Okay. Anyway, I was right about that, but it doesn't really matter. What matters is that it's actually right. It's good, though. It felt It feels Speaker 0
good when you're right, Speaker 1
especially when you're Speaker 0
you have an unpopular opinion. Right? You're kind of going against the grain, and then you get to be right. Speaker 1
Yeah. Because it was a weird opinion. Speaker 0
Yeah. So I wanted to I wanted to do it. Speaker 1
And you were you have permission. I will even cut the clip for you if you become right about something. You have permission to Oh yes in the event Speaker 0
that I ever do? Speaker 1
Yes if you make a prognostication about football or anything else. Speaker 0
Okay. Speaker 1
I will cut the clip for you. That Speaker 0
is so kind Speaker 1
of you winning and spiking the football. Speaker 0
That is so kind of you. Yes. I don't know that it'll ever happen, but it's good to have it in my back pocket Speaker 2
Yeah. Speaker 0
For sure. Speaker 1
It's fun to try to predict things. Speaker 0
Yeah. Okay. We can have a prediction contest. We'll we'll do, we'll do over under on cowboy or number of wins for the Cowboys. And we have to write them on a paper so we can't judge off of each other. Okay. You wanna do it now? Sure. How many wins for the Cowboys? Speaker 1
How many games are we playing these days? Seventeen. Oh, okay. I think that k. I don't have a pen. Speaker 0
And then on the count of three, show us your number. One Mhmm. Two three. Oh, fuck. We have the same number. Speaker 1
The same number. Speaker 0
Nine. I'm surprised you have him at nine. Speaker 1
I know. Me too. Speaker 0
I I Speaker 1
wanted to say eight. Speaker 0
I went nine because And Speaker 1
I gave him a I fudged him one. Speaker 0
Okay. Well, we'll can both be right. We could both spike the football if they hit nine. How about that? Speaker 1
Yep. Speaker 0
Okay. One more quick sports score. The Rangers? What the fuck? Speaker 1
Yeah. Tell us. Speaker 0
They're They're winning. They're winning. They're winning without Marcus Simeon, without Corey Seager, without Nathan Ivaldi, without Evan Carter. Speaker 1
Had to cut the dead weight, man. Speaker 0
Yeah. Yeah. Just get rid of those all star gold glovers. Ridiculous. It's insane. I have no idea what's happening. Granted, a lot of it has to do with the competition that they're facing Speaker 2
Mhmm. Speaker 0
Currently. They've it's Tuesday. I think they've won, like, nine of ten, nine of eleven. I mean, it's insane, the fact that they're winning. Speaker 1
They're not dead yet. Speaker 0
They're not dead yet. Do not bury them. But the competition gets a lot stiffer after this series against the Diamondbacks. So I'm working this weekend, Friday, Sunday, Astros series, and then you've got the Brewers. So you've got two really good teams coming in. At home, well, this team shit the bed at home last home stand. So let's see how they respond. I think they did. No. I say that. I'm totally wrong. Two home stands ago. Excuse me. Pardon me. And I apologize, rangers. You're forgiven. Thank you. So, anyway, I think that to me and and we've said this I've said this, you know, several times throughout the season. Like, okay. This is this is the stretch. This is the stretch. I think starting Friday Speaker 2
Mhmm. Speaker 0
I think you look at that Astros, Brewers stretch those games, and we're gonna know exactly where this team is. Plus, it's you you only have a certain amount of games left at that point. So, anyway, they're still in it. Shout out to them. Kudos to them. Kudos to Boach for continuing to get them, you know, motivated. Whatever the hell they're doing, it's working. Yeah. Guys that weren't producing before are producing now, and it's crazy. That it's they're not even out of it for the division. Yeah. It's crazy. Houston is floundering a little bit. Seattle's floundering a little bit. I mean, it's it's crazy. It's insane. Speaker 1
There's gotta be I mean, yes. It sucks that those people are all injured, but then you've got kinda like this group of, like, people with no expectations. You take the expectations off, and sometimes that's when professional athletes can be the scariest. Like, when they can let it all go and you go play, you go have fun, you go Like, we come together as a team. Speaker 0
Like, twenty twenty three, we saw it in September when Evan Carter got called up. Right? Like, you've got this guy with this hunger, and he's a rookie, and he's twelve years old. And he's just you know, he's so excited, and he's he's so, green. He's Speaker 1
green. Yeah. Speaker 0
He's not he he's not jaded by all these other things. He doesn't have all these experiences. He's just Speaker 1
He's having fun. Speaker 0
Yeah. He's like, I'm in the major leagues. Like, you better make damn sure I'm gonna make the most of this. So, anyway, hats off to them. I'll be working this weekend, like I said. Nice. And super excited to see how they how they fare against the Astros. Speaker 1
Maybe come. We haven't been to win this season. I don't think. Yeah. Fun. Yeah. Speaker 0
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I'm just trying to Speaker 0
Or not first car, but for your first Speaker 1
payment. For a faint your first one of your first big purchases with your new contract. I'm trying to picture, like, what Ryder would do if he somehow became super successful and Would he still listen to you? Money, he would never listen to me. He wouldn't. He'd be like, f off. Or maybe he would. I don't know. But it's it's Speaker 0
I think Speaker 1
It's a funny concept. Speaker 0
Henry would listen to me. I don't think Hattie would. Speaker 1
Yeah. I don't think Ryder would because he would think he's for sure smarter than me. Like, he already does. And if you find that much success that young, that early on in life, then, yeah, who wants to listen to their mom anymore? But I love that she's trying. Speaker 0
I do too. I do too. I still wanna get her on. I know that they're she's pretty tired. Speaker 1
Womp Speaker 0
womp womp womp. But listen. We're fun, and she would love us. And She doesn't know yet. She we would love her. Speaker 1
We never got Luca's girlfriend on, and then he was gone. Yeah. Then they became married. But With baby. With Speaker 0
baby. Did they marry? Speaker 1
I think they did. Did they? I think so. Speaker 0
I think you should look that up. Jasmine would know. She's obsessed Speaker 1
with Lugia. I think they got married. They definitely have baby. Speaker 0
I think I know they have baby. I don't think they got married. Oh. Maybe got engaged. I don't know. What am I talking about? Or do we get Speaker 1
out of wedlock? Speaker 0
If I was if I'm right, I'll just cut a social media clip and post it later. Okay. Then one more thing I'm Speaker 1
just care that much about that fact. Speaker 0
On the socials, Bill Belichick's girlfriend, Jordan Hudson, is ready to cash in on their relationship's forty nine year age gap. He's seventy three. She's twenty four, which listen. Fifty years is a lot, what right? If you're a hundred and and fifty. When you're seventy three and twenty four, I feel like it's so it's it might as well be eighty years difference, but whatever. So she filed trademark phrases, gold digger, which she wants to use for jewelry and key chains. Speaker 1
Isn't that a Kanye West song? Yes. Like, how is that available to be trademarked? Speaker 0
I don't know. She also tried to trademark Chapel Bill, Bill's version in parentheses, no days off, Bill's version, stealing from Taylor, and Bella cast, which what is I don't I Speaker 1
It really is, like, just some crazy chick that is now, I Speaker 0
mean Trying to monetize everything? Speaker 1
But think about it. I mean, we're talking about we've talked about, like, why. Why is she doing this? Why is this happening? Speaker 0
Now is she just owning it that, like, yes. I am a gold digger, or is she like, I'm not a gold digger. I really love him, but we're gonna totally play all you guys? Speaker 1
To, like, this whole empire, basically, just by dating him. Like, she's made for she can come up with all these ideas. He's just like, whatever you want, babe. Like, he's a he's a big brand. Right? And she can just do whatever she wants with that brand, and she's doing it. Speaker 0
But it's not like he's Tom Brady, like, creating fitness routines and shit like that. Speaker 1
He's not Tom Brady, but he's Bill Belichick. Like, I mean, he's a pretty big name in football for a long time. Speaker 0
But I don't feel like he's, like and I guess she saw an opportunity. Like, he's he doesn't market himself. No. But he could, and so I will. Speaker 1
Right. Twenty four years old. Twenty four. Crazy. Speaker 0
It's insanity. Yeah. Yeah. We'll get Tony because he has his thoughts on that a little bit later Speaker 1
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Okay. So last thing before we get to Tony Casillas, and I hope you haven't looked too hard at the rundown. Speaker 1
No. I skimmed it, but I didn't. Speaker 0
Okay. Because I wanted to run some the definitions that Cambridge dictionary has added to its portfolio. Mhmm. Speaker 1
This is always fun. Speaker 0
Okay. And then two, it's fascinating to me to hear the actual definitions because I hear a lot of these words, but I really don't know what they mean. Mhmm. My kids are saying them. Right. Okay. So number one, skibbity. Yeah. Do you know what that is? No. Okay. So a word that can have different meanings such as cool or bad or can be used with no real meaning as a joke, like, what the skibbity are you doing that wasn't very skibbity riz of you? So, basically, it's just like it's just a like, whatever whatever you want it to be. Skibbity. Speaker 1
Who started this? I don't know. I would like to Speaker 0
start over. There used to be toilet in there. Start over. Skibbity toilet riz was in there. Was Skibbity toilet. Where toilet. And Ohio was in there somewhere. Whatever. Speaker 1
Oh my god. Speaker 0
Number two, Delulu. Speaker 1
I've heard this one. Speaker 2
Yeah. Speaker 0
Short for delusional. Speaker 1
Something a lot of Swifties say when you're, like, being Delulu about some of her Easter eggs or, like, you think you see a sign somewhere, but you know you're being a little Delulu or, like, when they were all calling for Taylor's version of reputation to come out. Every time she'd come out for a show, they'd be like, oh, she's wearing black fingernail polish. And then you'd be like, oh, we're just being DeLulu because black meant reputation. Anyway, that's how I know DeLulu, short for delusional. Speaker 0
I definitely know you know number three, trad wife. You taught me that one. Speaker 1
Yes. I did Trad wife. That one. Speaker 0
You're just model trad wives. Short for traditional wife, a married woman who stays home cooking, cleaning, and has children she takes care of. Awesome. I don't even know how to say this. Brollagarchy? Oh, the brolagarchy. So, like okay. Speaker 1
A term for tech bros who are extremely powerful and have or want political influence, like Zuckerberg and Elon Musk. They're in the brogly brolagarchy. That's dumb. So dumb. Who wants political like, come on. Just take care of your own. So many people. Just take care of your own. People. You don't need Speaker 0
Out on broligarchy. D y o r. Haven't heard this one, but I like it. Speaker 1
I bet you do. Speaker 0
Do your own research. Yeah. Which is it it's not even that hard to research anymore. You just Google shit. Speaker 1
You just Google shit. Right. D y o r. Speaker 0
But I can honestly say I've never heard D y o r. Speaker 1
Say that to Anna when she asked me, like, every question in the world about life questions. Water clouds. Like, why is it raining? Speaker 0
But have you ever heard What if Speaker 1
I was just like, D y o r? Speaker 0
Yeah. Girl. Never heard it. I think it's dumb. Speaker 1
I never know her. So Speaker 0
Cardboard cardboard box index. Speaker 1
The Way of measuring the health of the economy according to how many cardboard boxes are being produced or shipped. Speaker 0
Dumb. And I I don't Speaker 1
mind that. Speaker 0
Cambridge would put that in their dictionary. It's dumb. Speaker 1
I don't mind that. Nanoship. Down. Speaker 0
Oh, a nanoship. I kinda like this one. I also haven't heard it. A very short romantic interaction with someone with no expectation it will lead to a real relationship. So isn't this just called, like, effing Speaker 1
pretty much? One night stand? Speaker 0
Like, Speaker 1
why do we need to ship it? Why is it any sort of ship? Speaker 0
Code word for nanoship Yeah. Is yeah. Or yeah. Nanoship is just a code word for one night stand. Right. Yeah. Okay. Well, we're smarter than you, idiots. Mhmm. Career catfishing. The act of accepting a job offer, but then not showing up on your first day. Speaker 1
That's mean. What's wrong with you? Speaker 0
Idiot. Dumb. Cold feet. Chrono working, adapting your work schedule to when you feel most awake and energetic. Well, good luck on that, Ace. But I guess it's happening. Speaker 1
It's definitely happening. Speaker 0
It doesn't make that's dumb. Smartphone face when an actor's face looks too modern for them to be believable in a drama set in the past. Speaker 1
Oh my gosh. Okay. That's so specific. Speaker 0
I don't like it. Burnt toast theory. The idea that a minor inconvenience like burning your toast in the morning might actually be prevent preventing something worse from happening later in the day. Speaker 1
I like that. I like Speaker 0
yeah. You like that? Speaker 1
Oh, I like thinking about, like, you Like, a little bit car wreck or something, but, like, if you had burnt your toast and you had left five minutes later, then you wouldn't have gotten in that car wreck because x y z wouldn't have happened. So I had a burnt toast theory this morning. The dogs came in from outside, and I Speaker 0
went into Henry's room to get his sheets off his bed to do to wash them or whatever, and Izzy came inside. Speaker 1
Can you do that? Speaker 0
Once a week. Okay. And so Izzy came in his room, which has carpet, and she, like, likes to roll around on the carpet. And she got paw prints everywhere, and I was like, it's not in my allotted things to do. But Speaker 1
What'd you do? Speaker 0
So I went I cleaned it. Speaker 2
Mhmm. Speaker 0
But maybe that prevented me from having an accident on the way over here because that was Speaker 1
so. Congratulations. Speaker 0
Four minutes of my time Speaker 2
Right. Speaker 0
That I didn't anticipate using to clean carpet. Speaker 2
Mhmm. Speaker 0
So, yeah, there's my burnt toast theory moment. I like it. Metaphase. When photos are enhanced with filters and everyone and make everyone look similarly flawless or unrealistic Speaker 1
I feel like metaphase is a thing. Speaker 0
It's a thing, and it's awful. Yep. I mean Stop with the filters. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop using filters. Stop. Speaker 1
The filters are out of control. Yeah. What are we doing? Just the face stuff that makes everyone look the same. Speaker 0
So I I did tell you my one trick that I do on all Speaker 1
Yes. I started doing it. The one little beep. Speaker 0
Yep. So if you click on your photos color. Yeah. If you click on your photos and then there's, like, this little what do you call those? Like, those three lines? Speaker 2
Mhmm. Speaker 0
It's on the bottom next to the trash thing, and you click on that, and there's a little magic wand. Speaker 2
Mhmm. Speaker 0
And you hit auto. Speaker 1
And It's Emily's phone trick. Speaker 0
And it just may it just brightens up the thing. It doesn't feel it's no longer Speaker 1
with all the others. Speaker 0
Yeah. It's like just a little magic wand. Yeah. And so it may it doesn't change the shape of your face or your wrinkles. It just it's the lighting. It makes the lighting Speaker 2
Mhmm. Speaker 0
Optimal. Okay. Three more. Manterpreting. This is first of all, I'm really glad that they finally came up with the Manterpreting. Oh, I thought it was manterpreting. Manterpreting. Yeah. But it's also could be it also could be manterpreting. Uh-huh. Okay. Go ahead. Speaker 1
Read it. Interrupting a woman when she's speaking, usually, because the man thinks he has something more important to say. That's so real. So real. And he doesn't like it. Speaker 0
Or manterpreting could be then maybe I need to submit that one Speaker 1
Mhmm. Speaker 0
When they have to explain something to you Mhmm. Because they don't feel like you could possibly understand it without their explanation. Speaker 1
Right. Yeah. Mhmm. It's a real thing. Shelaborating. Speaker 0
Okay. Explaining something in a much more detailed way than is necessary often making the explanation more Maybe Speaker 1
it's she. Is it because it's girls that usually do that? They're calling in a derogatory Speaker 0
eighty five percent. Speaker 1
Oh my gosh. How many husbands think that their wives shall elaborate? Every single Speaker 0
one of them. Swear. Speaker 1
Every time I start talking, it's like I I can just see my husband quickly melting and dying inside, like, every time I just talk. Speaker 0
They just don't like, every time I have a it's not gonna it's about to go somewhere real. Speaker 1
I'm like, you give me an opening. I'm gonna tell you everything that's going on in my mind right now Speaker 2
Yeah. Speaker 1
Because I need help. Yeah. They yeah. You shut up. Shut down. Don't listen. Like, they they really don't care Speaker 0
what we have. Have to do. They don't. They don't. Unless it's really important. Speaker 1
Or just like, I signed this paper a bunch of years ago. Because Speaker 0
Unless it involves them or even maybe fifty fifty, the kids. Right. They don't care. Speaker 1
They don't. And then it's like, hello. Hello. Hello. But I just wanna know what would happen if we didn't do all the things for, like, two days. Speaker 0
Oh. Oh, my friend was so funny. So my friend Kate, she went out of town for, like, I think it was three or four nights. Eight. New friend? I do. I have new friends. I have a couple of new friends. Okay. Yeah. There's not very many, but Speaker 1
Congrats. Speaker 0
Thank you. So funny that I bring up a new name. You're like, oh, you have a new friend. Yeah. So my Someday, Speaker 1
I will too. Speaker 0
I can't wait till we add to our list of friends. There's not very many. So, yes, my friend, Kate. I think I'm I'm still in single digits, but it's we're approaching double. Okay. Anyway, she went out of town. She was like, I can't she's in our group chat. She's like, I just want you guys to imagine what it what my house was like when I returned after four days out of town. And she immediately said she was like, Emily, you would probably just move out. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they just I yeah. I mean, yeah. We do a lot of things. I think just if you're a a man listening, I just hope that you know that as women, the vast majority of us just feel like we do a lot of things. And Speaker 1
we They're gonna say we do a lot of things too, Emily. Speaker 0
They they do. They make so much money and Mow. No no mowing over here. No mowing over here. Big bank, take little bank. That's what my husband always says. Oh, big bank, take little bank. It's like it's a reminder of who's the breadwinner in our family. I'm like, Speaker 1
big bank, take little bank? Speaker 0
We have a whole language in Speaker 1
our house. He's telling you to f off, basically, because he makes Speaker 0
more money. Like a little joke every once in a while, like, you know, when I've like to pull out my Speaker 2
Uh-huh. Speaker 0
List of my spreadsheet of things Right. That I'm doing, and then basically just fires back with, like, big bank take Speaker 2
little bang. Speaker 1
That's funny. Speaker 0
It is funny. And if I didn't love him, I'd probably murder him in Speaker 1
his Right. Speaker 0
But I do love him tremendously. Yeah. And this is the way our marriage works. Speaker 2
Right. Speaker 0
It's the constant jabbing at each other Yeah. Which is basically how all of my relationships work. Right. Which is a very healthy thing. Speaker 1
And it's just normal. Speaker 0
Yeah. Oh. Yeah. I give Kate all the shit. Good. I can't be friends with people that I have to be gentle with. Speaker 1
They don't make the group text. Speaker 0
Well, I mean, can can you imagine me trying to be gentle? Like No. It just doesn't work. Mm-mm. It's not it would be like, oh gosh. Oh, golly gee. I'm so sorry. Are you okay? No. I luck you a lot. I hope you have a wonderful day. Speaker 1
Like Do you ever have to, like, talk to, like, a group of ladies, like, on a text? Like, so I'm planning Ryder's soccer team right now, and I'm room mom again, which Speaker 0
Oh my god. What are you doing? Speaker 1
They I wasn't going to. They sent a thing saying they needed people, which is so unlike our school. I think as the kids get older, people stop. Speaker 0
Hundred percent. Yeah. You get to fifth grade and people are like And that's when I do that. I'm fucking down. Speaker 1
Right? Like, it's easier as they get older. You they have switched teachers, so you have a team. Like Yeah. So I did it last year, and then they sent that thing, and Ryder was like, mom, will you do it again? Speaker 0
Okay. If he's Speaker 1
So I I side barred the girl. I was like, if no one else does it, I will. And then next thing I know, congratulations. You're the roof off. Speaker 0
Congratulations, roof off. Speaker 1
I actually loved I loved that job because I, like, I if I'm gonna do anything, it's gonna be, like, spoiling and helping the teachers. You know? Yeah. I'm not good at other stuff. Same. Decorating libraries and all that. Like, I can't balloon arches and all that. Like Balloon arches. I love the people that can do that, but I am not good at that. One thing I can do is, like, hopefully be take care of people nicely. Yeah. So that's the only thing that that made me think of was, like, if you ever have to speak because I'm, like, talking to Ryder's soccer team is a whole group of people that I don't know. Like, so it's dads and moms on this thing, and I don't know any of them. So I'm trying so hard to, like, be gentle and, like stuff like that? Speaker 0
I don't. I don't ever do that. Like, you've seen me even in business dealings. I don't do that. Speaker 1
Right. Yeah. But business, you're not supposed to do that. Speaker 0
Business, any anything. Speaker 1
Right. Oh, yeah. I yes. Like, the actual hashing it out business part. Speaker 0
No. But I'm Speaker 2
just saying Speaker 1
You're saying the other part, like, the whole courting of a sponsor relationship. Yeah. Speaker 0
I very rarely go in gentle with anything that I do. Much. Yeah. To our detriment sometimes. I feel like I I feel like it's so, like, for example, like so Charles Cooksey, who is the GM of Gateway GMC, who has literally supported us from day one, has supported every endeavor I have ever come to him with. Speaker 1
Right. Speaker 0
Whether it's want the only thing he hasn't supported is my skin care because he doesn't need it. But this man has literally supported everything that I've ever done. He and Jaffa, his long, long time girlfriend. But, like, he, like so he's our he's our biggest sponsor on the mom game. He's our presenting sponsor. And so, like, he'll send me a text and be like, why didn't we trade for a back and bat like, at the trade deadline. Why didn't we trade for a bat? And I was like, have you seen our fucking offense lately? Like and he's like, okay. I'll take your word for it. Well, then we go in the shitter. And I'm like, well, maybe you're right. Like, I don't I'm not I should probably be more gentle with people who are, you know, largely responsible for the financial support of our business endeavors. But I don't know. I I maybe I'm not I know I'm capable. Speaker 1
Yeah. Speaker 0
It's just it's just not it's just on my personality. It's just not who I am. Yeah. You know? And that's okay. But I also feel like and I hope I think you would see this. Like, I'm also pretty fucking, like, ruthless on myself. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I'll crush myself Yeah. A lot. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Speaker 1
Well yeah. I mean yes. Speaker 0
Yeah. But I do think that Speaker 1
it's That's what people people appreciate that about you. Speaker 0
But I do feel like it takes a splash BS their way from life. Person to be friends with me because it's not because I'm not Speaker 1
for the faint of heart. I'm rough. Yeah. I You might cry a few times. Uh-huh. So being in my Yeah. Speaker 0
You might cry. Cry too. I cry. Yeah. I'm soft sometimes. I cried Friday with my friend Jessica. I've cried You Speaker 1
and my friend Lauren. Speaker 2
Aw. Speaker 1
Yeah. What are you crying about? Speaker 0
I don't know. Just being, like, grateful and but, also, probably, it's scared that I was gonna have to sleep by myself in my house that night. Oh. No. It's I some I mean, I can get in my field. Speaker 1
No. I know. I'm not saying Speaker 0
that. Yeah. It's just it's it's I save it for special occasions. Right. Yeah. Well Speaker 1
Congratulations, Kate. Speaker 0
Yeah. Cheers to friends. Speaker 1
Okay. Cheers to friends. Speaker 0
Alright. Speaking of friends Mhmm. Speaker 1
What should we do? Time to look. Speaker 0
What? I just made Speaker 1
her spit up her wine. The way you just said that was me stalling. I was like, what is she wanting me to do here? Time to hang out with one of our great friends, former Dallas cowboy, Tony Casillas. We're talking all the things. Speaker 0
And we are thrilled to be joined here on the mom game by national champion, world champion, longtime Dallas cowboy, Oklahoma Sooner, Tony Casillas. Tony, thanks so much for being with us. Speaker 3
Man, it's an honor being with you guys. I love your show, and, I love with the all the content. And I'm just, I'm thrilled to be here. Looking forward to this. Speaker 0
Yeah. We've gone back and forth on social media saying, let's do it. Let's do the podcast. You want you know? You said yes, and I said then we found a time at no better time than right now because it's so quiet, on the football scene and and on the cowboy scene in particular. Speaker 3
Oh, never anything never anything to talk about when it comes to the cowboys. Right? Speaker 0
Exactly. Speaker 3
Must be football season. Right. Or no. It seems like it's, twenty four seven, three hundred sixty five days during the year. So yeah. Speaker 0
It is around here. Okay. So first of all, as a former player, you've been retired from the game for how many years now? Speaker 3
Oh my gosh. I'm giving away my age, Emily. Retired in nineteen ninety seven. Speaker 0
K. Speaker 3
Start playing I I guess I was in NFL when I was sixteen. Speaker 0
So Yeah. There you go. The math that Yeah. Speaker 3
So I've been out I've been out a lifetime. It it it goes by fast. Trust me. But, yeah, I'd look back and, like, wow. That's been a it's pretty surreal that you Speaker 0
Almost thirty years. Speaker 2
Yeah. Speaker 0
Yeah. How much do you keep up with it now? Football, the Cowboys in particular. Speaker 3
I've it's it's kinda interesting because when I first retired from football, I just wanted to just get away from the sport and and just, try to build a billionaire empire, and that didn't really happen. But played a lot of golf, so I got away from it. But then I just realized, hey. It's my DNA. You know? It's something I've, I've been around forever. And and, for some reason, during football season, it just seems to just lure me in. And so now I keep up with it quite a bit. I mean, it's hard not to Speaker 0
Yeah. Speaker 3
Especially in, you know, living in Dallas and, and and and I I just, I just think it's, it's one of the greatest sports besides baseball, which I know that you're you're you're Speaker 0
Partially. Partial to that. Speaker 3
But but, yeah, it's it's great to be able to be part of it. And and, again, there's always some type of drama going on in Dallas. And, and, look, I mean, whenever you play for a championship team like the Cowboys that we did in the nineties, it's hard to hard to get away from that. That still creates some identity. So I'm I enjoy it, man. I enjoy just following the sport and and, obviously, the cowboys. Speaker 1
And you kinda have a unique opportunity too as a former player in a town where everybody's always talking about the cowboys to kind of get in the media realm a little bit, do some interviews here and there. I mean, that's at least a nice thing to have in your back pocket if the multibillion dollar industry doesn't Exactly. Quickly come to fruition. Right? Yeah. Kind of a you know, when you hear Jerry speak about you're a cowboy for life, that's one of the ways that you are. People are always gonna ask you about the cowboys. Right? Speaker 3
Oh, absolutely. And it's, it it it is America's team, and I really I I think that when you look at that, and I really, you know, playing for the great franchise and the brand, the star, and what it represents. And, you know, that generation just had so much, great memories and championships and winning and kicking people's ass. And so, it was just a great, great, decade to be a part of. And and, Emily, you mentioned I've been out for a long time, and it's been a long time since the Cowboys have been relevant when it comes to winning championships. So people wanna talk about that. A lot of people don't remember that, the younger generation, but, you you meet people all the time. It's like, hey, man. This is great. I've you you made my life so, so memorable back in the back when we played. So, they're still talking about it until, the present day cowboys do something about it. Speaker 0
Right. So I guess there's so many different things to talk to you about, but first, the the, you know, the big news over the last couple of weeks has been the Micah Parsons saga and then ultimately his trade to Green Bay. As someone who, you know, defense was obviously a huge part of, you know, those championship teams and that that you look at, I'm sure, partially, what was your impression of, I guess, that entire scenario, how it went down, everything leading up to it, and then the ultimate end result? Speaker 3
First of all, I thought it was a very, very it wasn't a very smart, trade on my part. And I say that. I understand the business aspect of it, what you got, but a generation player like Micah Parsons and you know, I've been able to play during my career, the Reggie Whites, and I I've never in in some of the most dynamic players, Lawrence Taylor, and to see what his impact and to see what, he's done in four years and to give up what his production has been for that team. And and when he's not playing, he's not on the field, they're definitely not as good as they they can they can be. So, I just thought it was just everyone else was, like, shocked about it. Yeah. You know, especially, you know, the whole Dirk not Dirk, but the Yeah. The Luka, you know, Luka trade and everything. It's like, it's just a compound on just, you know, trading a a superstar player. So I was in shock that they did that. Now I think there was a lot of, you know, Jerry probably getting his feelings hurt, negotiation, and but and then I I thought really just kinda weird to think he was holding out, but he's under contract, and he's, you know, he's at training camp. And you know what the media's gonna do? They're just gonna focus on him. And, so there's kind of a sidebar deal. And so I just I thought that, yeah, we'll we'll see what happens if they get, you know, the, you know, two first round draft picks they traded for. But, man, I did not like it. A lot of people thought it was just one of the stupidest decisions that Jerry's made and because of what you gave up, a generational player. Speaker 0
So and you mentioned the the contract that he still had a year left on his deal. Then you have the opportunity to franchise him for two years. Did that has that changed? When did that start happening where these guys start getting deals a year or two early, and they not only get them, but they hold out if they don't get them? Speaker 3
Well, I think I think it's kinda you kinda prove yourself. And I for a player like Micah, which, you know, for the period he was here, he had fifty two sacks and just this amazing player. It's over ten sacks a season. So it it started to happen. And whenever the, you know, obviously, the salary cap and, you know, it escalated and got larger. But I think that that's kind of been the the the teams are gonna have to play these guys sooner or later. And I think for a player, you wanna you're in the the prime of your career, your production. You wait another year or two, then maybe, you know, you get injured. You're not you're you're you're you're value is not gonna be as much. So they started doing that in in essence to protect the player, and I think more or less in good faith. Because and you know you're gonna have to bring you have to sign a player like Micah Parsons, obviously, your quarterback, Dak Prescott, but, it's something that protection on both players. But, just the whole thing, like, holding out, but not holding out and being there. I I think Micah probably could've do a little better because if I'm just trying to get a contract, it becomes emotional and seeing him on the sidelines and, you know, laying down, taking a nap on the tray on the, you know, on the the table on the side. It just comes so much drama, and and, it it's inevitable. It's gonna happen that they're gonna get a deal done. And so I think people yeah. He's got a year left on his contract. It's a franchise, but I think it's a, you know, protect his, you know, his his future and to get as much as you can. Speaker 0
Especially in the NFL where contracts aren't guaranteed. Absolutely. Which I I've never understood this. So Major League Baseball has the strongest players union. The best Speaker 3
union. The best union. Speaker 0
I mean, those guys are all guaranteed. I mean, it's it's it's insane. And then it's like but in those careers can last twenty years Speaker 2
for Speaker 0
a lot of guys. I mean, you know, you reach that ten years of service time. It's a huge milestone, all that kind of stuff. But yet the most violent sport, you know, that that the shelf life is so much shorter as far as careers are concerned, and they don't have that protection, built in to guaranteed contracts across the board, which has always fascinated me. Like, what is that gonna take, which I didn't mean to go off on this diatribe, but what is that gonna take for the the NFL the Players Association in the NFL to to flip that script to where come on, man. Like, this is the the biggest revenue generating sport we have, the most violent, the shortest shelf life shelf lives. The these NFL guys should be the ones getting that guaranteed money. Speaker 3
Believe it or not, it's a lot better than it it's been. I remember when I played, the only guarantee you had was your signing bonus. So, unfortunately fortunately, it's gotten better. Speaker 0
Yeah. Speaker 3
So guys are getting guaranteed money, seventy five percent of the contract. But, you know, Major League Baseball, was it Bobby Bonilla still getting paid? Like, Speaker 0
a million dollars Speaker 3
for annuity? I mean, every September, he's getting that direct deposit. I mean, great for baseball. But Yeah. And so I think it's you know, these owners, it's a collusion of these owners, you know, setting the market and basically saying this is what we're gonna do. And and, really, I don't think the NFL has had the best, players association. It's gotten better. But as far as contracts and guaranteeing money and then, you know, you you, you know, topping on with the concussion lawsuits and everything that goes along with that, I mean, your body just gets, you know, abused. And so I'm I'm all for you, Emily. I think that you you, you know, hit the nail on the head. It's like, you know, you these players that that play and sacrifice their body, especially the ones that are able to get a big contract. I mean, you have to guarantee the majority of it. And a lot of guys, as I mentioned, it's better now, but it could always be better. Speaker 0
Yeah. Speaker 3
But, yeah, I'm always blown away. Seventy, you know, for Michael, I got a hundred and thirty three million dollars guaranteed, and, you know, he may play out. That's a four year deal. And, you know, that's and I think another thing, I think guys wanna get shorter deals too because they don't wanna get you know, I think that's kind of the thing to hang up on these contracts because four years is is not a long time. And you you have the the the opportunity to get that contract. But Speaker 0
And then you could get another one if you shorten it. You know, if if for a five year deal versus a four year deal. I mean Right. Speaker 3
I mean, you Speaker 0
and you have to do shot at it. Speaker 3
Exactly. And I think that that's smart negotiating. Speaker 1
Yeah. That's What do you think of the whole circus aspect of the Cowboys? Having been a part of a team that won a bunch of Super Bowls and, like you said, or a couple Super Bowls, like you said, trying to get back to that point, but there's always something else. There's always something else right now. I mean, it's most often Jerry. Like, people are talking about Jerry Jerry doing this, Jerry doing that, Jerry in the documentary, Jerry in a a crazy trade that no one expected. And we're not talking about football enough as somebody who was a heart of of those teams that that people remember and will remember forever and that the Cowboys will hopefully someday get back to, what do you think about all the off the field stuff that now just seems to really be a distraction from what people are drawn to, which is watching a football game? Speaker 3
Well, Jerry, he had met his old message that is a soap opera. And if he's if the you know, if there's not enough, not enough attention, he's gonna do something to stir it up. So, you know, that's coming from the horse's mouth right there. I I think it's, I think it's really, really polarizing for the rest of the NFL fans throughout the, you know, the, you know, in that, in different fan bases because, you know, Dallas is is still the clickbait. It's a lightning rod for whenever something happens, it's on it's it's on ESPN. It's their talk shows. It's on social media platforms. And I don't know. I think Jerry's a very bright marketing guy, but I don't think that I don't know how calculated he is. And if he is, he's, you know, he's he's he's again, he's very smart when he does that. But it's just it's it's nothing related to the game of football in in some aspects of it. I mean, it's the brand. It's the star. It's, you know, you go to AT and T Stadium. It's part of a it's almost like a it's an amusement park. It's like going to this place, and we're not we may not win that that day, but you know what? We're gonna be able to experience all the things that goes along with being at AT and T Stadium. So that's been a sidebar. And I think, when you talk to a lot of the former players and the guys that played that have played on that team and they go to different teams and they say, man, this is this is work. I mean, we're we're focused on what we're supposed to do, and there's not this circus. So we're, you know, the the players are part of the people who are coming to see, you know, the exposure you have when you're at, you know, at the start, people can go in and sell on tours through that Yeah. Mhmm. And sell on tours of the stadium. And I think maybe that's gotten lost in trans sans translation as far as what is the the main purpose. I mean, think about this. If you're he's winning, he's losing and winning at the same time and because he's he's he's making money on other, you know, tentacles of it. But, it's hard to defend. It really is because I get tired of all the jokes and, you know, the last time that the Cowboys had won is a VHS tape, which they are true. That's how long it's been. So all the memes and all the things that go along with that, and it's hard to defend that because, we, the Cowboys, haven't been relevant in so much so time, and yet it's a lot you know, the the the most valuable sports franchise, and everybody's just like, they're they're they're pretty much pissed off because they resent the fact that the Cowboys are like, what have you done lately? Speaker 0
Yeah. Right. Speaker 3
Except have the most, valuable franchise. Speaker 0
Yeah. I think it I think, yeah, there there is a a level of resentment there, not only from fan bases outside of the Cowboys, but within the Cowboys' fan base. You know? Yeah. Yeah. And it's frustrating. Speaker 1
It seems even I mean, obvious stress with this last trade. Like, you mentioned, we're the Cowboys getting a couple of first round draft picks, but you have a guy that you're digging for in the draft. Like, that's the guy that you want each season. You want somebody to turn into what Micah Parsons was for the cowboys, which was the best player on the team. And now you're going back to the gambling, not to mention the the Netflix, you know, documentary again, but, like, he's he likes the gamble. He likes he likes the chase. Speaker 3
Well, yeah. Speaker 1
He likes to get the media buzz going even if it's to a the detriment of the team and the players that are out there fighting for you every day and the coaches. I mean, jeez. Like, the Schottenheimer has to be frustrated too. Like, oh, cool. What do I have now to work with heading into a new season with opening night this week and the week before you get rid of the best player. So I don't know what there's not even really a question there, but it's just that I can as a fan, sort of fan, it's it's hard to be a fan these days like I used to be, but it's just so so frustrating. And so I guess, what do you think of this current team post trade? How's it Speaker 3
how's it gonna look? Speaker 1
What are the chances? Speaker 3
I don't know. I think it becomes very emotional with fans too. And and and is my son, he's like the biggest biggest he bleeds silver and blue. And, you know, when things happen, I've never and I told him, I said, I'm sorry. You're just a little too young. You know? You didn't get to experience that. And then right, you know, right away when they made the trade, he's like, hey. They lost a fan forever. I'm like, this is coming from a twenty five year old fan. So, I don't know. I think I I love Brian Schottenheimer, and I've said this before, just being in that atmosphere Yeah. And the difference between Mike McCarthy is totally Speaker 0
different. This interview. Yeah. Speaker 3
And and and really to go out there, and I I think he embraces the legacy of these older guys, and and he's a lot of energy. And I think the players really we'll find out how they respond to him because I think it's any professional, whatever whatever it's a college, you know, whatever it is, I think you gotta have a strong coach, and I think he's got the energy. I I think he's you know, it's a more fast pace, and I think you and you can kinda sense that just talking to people. But back to Micah, this team cannot be as good without can't be as good without Micah Parsons. And I love the trade. I know the, you know, the defensive tackle they brought in, Clark. I think he's a good player. And and when you say, hey. We need to stop the run, and I'm like, well, you you drafted Mosey Smith, and you did. And there's a couple of guys that you brought in to stop the run, Jerry. And and maybe this is the guy, the messiah for doing that, but, I mean, I you're who are you kidding yourself? This is more of a personal Speaker 2
Yeah. Speaker 3
Thing with you not to negotiate. First of all, let me ask you this. And when everyone does a contract, you don't it gets personable. You know? Whenever you start talking to people and you're like, I'm doing a contract, and I don't really wanna hear what's being said about me, So I'll let my agent do it. Yeah. So since when did Jerry, you know, try to you know, his whole deal is he just wants to look in your eyes Speaker 0
Right. Speaker 3
Have his hypnotic eyes and his, you know, magnum His Speaker 1
baby blues. Speaker 3
Magnum magnetic personality. And, you know, he's he's very Speaker 0
He's the most he's the most powerful man in Speaker 1
the world. Speaker 3
He's very charismatic. Yeah. He wants to get you in a room by yourself and Speaker 2
Yeah. Speaker 3
And, you know, do you know, get the deal done. And so, yeah, Mike has said, hey. Look. I wanna get as much as I can, and I don't wanna hear all that, you know, the, you know, the you trying to sway me and Sure. And and just, you know, fill me up with all these, you know, you know, all these different superlative things about me. I wanna get as much as I can. And so I think he just got a little offended by that. Speaker 0
Yeah. And I I think I wanna ask you about the documentary and and if you could. I mean because you you lived all of that. You lived all of it, and it was such a fascinating documentary. And Jerry Jones is such a polarizing and fascinating subject matter. You know, all of those things that, you know, that that happened during that time. Have you watched it, first of all, the documentary? Yeah. Okay. So you watched it just stem to stern? Yeah. Do you feel like it was an accurate depiction of the way things unfolded? Speaker 3
Yeah. For sure. Yeah. And there's a lot of things in there that left out because I know a lot of players, including myself, has interviewed for six hours, and there was Speaker 1
a lot of things. Jeez. Left on Speaker 0
the cutting room floor. What did Speaker 3
I say? Hey. Get any get any love, but maybe what I had to say was a little bit too much considering Jerry Yep. Took over the editing part of it. And, hey. Look. I mean, without Jerry, I mean, it doesn't it doesn't, have the stage of platform with accessibility and everything. Sure. But, yeah, everything had happened, and then some on that in that, that whole, generation and decade of how we went out there involved. I mean, we were good at compartmentalizing things. Mhmm. Because in Speaker 0
this so much shit going on. It's unbelievable. Speaker 3
Hear anything. Now I I I will there was a lot. You know, Michael, without a doubt, Michael, I just Michael, I think he made, he, I guess, he made a a comment about there's a lot of crazy people on this team, and Charles and Chuck was the craziest. But I I would say Michael Irvin was probably the craziest. Speaker 0
And have you ever I don't know that I've ever witnessed I mean, I I guess it's happened. But, like, the rehabilitation to his image and now, I mean, it's it's crazy to me. Like, but Speaker 3
Well, Michael Michael Speaker 0
shit he got away with. Speaker 3
Hey. You know what? We got a lot of them. It's because of that my phone right there is social media. Yeah. Social media and that's that was the best thing about that. And maybe that's the people you you really don't know the story because there's not a lot of Speaker 0
Yep. Speaker 3
Like, dead bodies anywhere. Speaker 0
Oh my gosh. Speaker 3
Not skeletons. Hey. We all have face trunks. Speaker 0
We all have them. Speaker 3
Yeah. We all Speaker 2
have them. Speaker 3
I had them back in in that decade, but, I don't know. It was, it's it's dysfunctional dysfunctional was our team. Yeah. Because as soon as we left that building, which was unique because, you know, Jimmy Jimmy was crazy. Jimmy was a crazy coach. And I say that this philosophy because the whole thing would not I don't know if you how you've watched the whole series. But him not feeding us on the plane, that's a true story. But there was other there's other couple other things that happened on there, that happened when we lost again. First of all, that was a true story. They didn't he's like, hey. Yeah. You know, they lost. You know? They don't deserve it. Treating us like we're fifteen year olds. Yeah. Right. Speaker 2
Like, Speaker 3
trying to dis but that was his that was his way of of the mind and, like, trying to, like, make you feel as comfortable as uncomfortable as he was. And I remember when we were our first playoff run-in ninety one, he was telling us, hey. You guys need to you know, you gotta focus on football, you know, because football is my life. Mhmm. And that should be that's all it should be. Like, I said, well, we you know, that's our job, and we'll go home after work and do what we need to do. But, you know, I was right you know, it was on a Friday, and he says, look. You know? He goes, I hear about all these distractions going on and everything, and you guys need to focus on football. And I want you guys to do what I did. I want you to tell all you. I'm a tell your wife, your girlfriends, Speaker 2
your Speaker 3
family, parent, everyone just to stay home, and you'll talk to them after the season. We're like, come on, Jimmy. And then the next that weekend, they had this expose in the Dallas Morning News about he had this estranged relationship Yeah. With his family because he didn't he didn't talk to him. And and so the reality over that series is so there there's so much to to unpack and to talk about. Speaker 0
But And it wasn't included, it sounds like. Speaker 3
Oh, there's a lot of stuff is included. And and, you know, the thing about him is that he was able to put a fear and the insecurity in guys with the the guys like Michael. You know? I mean, we all went out and partied. I mean, we'd go out. I mean, not just Michael, me. Everyone went out. But the thing that Jimmy did is instill this fear of insecurity. It's like, if you show up at you come at work and you're not focused, I'll cut your ass. Speaker 0
Yeah. Speaker 3
And he did that. He he cut a John Roper who fell asleep right next to him. You know? Jimmy snuck in a special teams meeting, and John didn't see me. Just trading for at at Chicago. And John made the the the fatal mistake by fall falling asleep, and Jimmy snuck in, sat right behind him, and tapped him on the tapped him on the on the shoulder and said, hey, John. I said, you need to go in and you need to pack your shit up. Wow. You're going to, like, clean your locker room because I'm cutting you. Go get some sleep. Speaker 0
Yeah. Speaker 3
And he did that. He used different examples. I mean, he wouldn't. He said later on, he'd Troy did that. He'd just say, hey. Just wake up. Speaker 1
Uh-huh. How was your dream? Speaker 2
Let me Speaker 3
get you some time. We're dreaming about watching fish. Now what them going them going over and and Speaker 0
I thought that was hilarious. Speaker 3
And and that was great about, because Troy Troy was this guy that had this really strong personality. And I wouldn't say stork, but he just you knew he was the guy, like, you know, like a pitcher in baseball. He wants to be he he's in command, and he was in command. And so once he got out of the coaching realm of it in the meeting rooms on the practice field, Troy was a guy. Like, he got in a huddle and he looked at you the wrong way. He's like, hey. You better, you know, you better be accountable for her. So I think those two guys had the same personality and the same they lived and breed, which is great. Mhmm. Speaker 2
But the Speaker 3
whole deal with him going over and sitting in a chair and Speaker 0
And the aquarium, watching the Speaker 3
aquarium, and watching, you know, eat fish eat fish and having a six pack of Hanukkah. That was pretty good. Speaker 0
Did y'all know that was happening when y'all were playing? Speaker 3
No, we didn't. Speaker 1
No one Speaker 0
would have given him so much shit, Speaker 2
would you? Speaker 3
Oh, did you? Hey, you know what? We you know, he was he was I mean, not crazy. There's some of his tactics, like, from when on that trip to Washington, whenever we were flying in, he was gonna cut Frank Corners. She was offensive guard because he was he had a smile on his face, which you don't want a smile on Jimmy's. We lose the game because of Jimmy because all the coaches in the front of the air in the front of the plane, and you see him walking back. You don't wanna you don't wanna smile. So, he caught him laughing. He said, hey. I'm gonna cut you. I'm a deal with you tomorrow by saying I'm gonna cut you, and and that's the first time I ever seen a Speaker 2
black guy Speaker 3
turn white. And then about an hour later, there was a you know, we have storms here in in Dallas, and, you know, you know, I dial DFW. They close now when the wind blows. Right. So the the pilot, you know, Jimmy wanted to, like he the thing about it, he just wanna fix it. He wanna get back and, you know, watch the film and, like, he was miserable. And, again, if you you didn't wanna make eye contact with him because he was you just didn't. It it just wasn't a, it wasn't a good, you know, eye contact. So, anyways, you know, they basically said that, the pilot said, hey. We're gonna divert the plane because of the increment weather. This is on that same trip when we lost to Washington when we didn't eat, where he almost cut Frank Shornish Cornish. He gets up out of his seat because on the first guy, gets out, and he well, the pilot made an analysis. Hey, guys. I'm sorry, but we're gonna have to divert the the the plane. It'll be an hour late. It's a true story, ladies. Gets out of this chair, opens up the cockpit door, says, I want you to land this fucking plane right now. Oh god. And we're all like, oh my god. You have lost your mind. Speaker 0
Yeah. Speaker 3
I mean, we're all just looking, and and he's he's serious. He is serious. Speaker 0
Oh, okay. Speaker 3
And the pilot the pilot the pilot, you know, you know, had grabs him by the shoulder and he sets him down. It's like he's just like a little kid, you know, just throwing a fit. Says, hey, Jimmy. You lost a football game. I'm responsible for all these people on this plane sitting in Heineken. But that was just Jimmy. I was just it was an insane personality. Speaker 1
Quite the opposite of what the cowboys have now in in Schottenheimer. Right? Do you think the current Speaker 3
No. No. Speaker 1
You don't think so? Yeah. Speaker 3
You can't get away with the stuff we did. No. No. Speaker 1
Yeah. You can't do I Speaker 0
mean, that hard nose coaching. Right? Speaker 1
Like, people couldn't handle it now. I I don't know. Maybe they could, but they'd never know because they never given the opportunity. But it's just interesting how much it's evolved over the years. I mean Speaker 3
What's a hybrid, Julie? It's it really is. It's that you gotta have a hybrid of Speaker 2
Yeah. Speaker 3
Knowing what's and and look. It worked for us because we had success. Speaker 1
Scared shitless? Speaker 3
Oh, yeah. Like, fear of God. Speaker 0
Oh, and y'all were so talented. Yeah. And those teams were Speaker 3
And we needed and and and we needed some structure, and that's what I meant. And you look at that Netflix series, you know, there's some guys that, you know, that that were on the verge of just I mean, we were crazy. We did like I said, we did I mean, being living in Dallas in the nineties and winning Super Bowls and young and a professional athlete, I mean, we're rock stars. Yeah. And so we did some really crazy shit. Yeah. We really did. Speaker 0
But also too okay. And I'm not endorsing, you know, constant crazy shit among sports franchises. But I will say, like, even in the time that I've been covering sports, which is almost, like, twenty seven, twenty eight years now, how much I've seen things change as far as, like, you know, used to back when I first started traveling with the rangers, you know, eight, nine, ten, whenever that was. I mean, the guys are they get to the hotel at ten, eleven. They're they're they've lined up a dinner and going to have drinks and doing whatever, staying out late, all that kind of stuff. And, you know, and those teams those teams in two thousand ten and eleven and even twelve, though those were some of the the most tight knit groups there were. And and it's I feel like it to a certain extent, you have to have some of that. But now everyone you know, all athletes are the vast majority are so worried about their sleep schedule and their what their diet, and they probably don't even partake in, which I'm not knocking any of that. All those things are great. Be healthy. Be healthy. But but there is some of that, like, doing dumb shit together and hanging out and just doing, you know, being doing bro stuff. Speaker 3
About stuff we did. Speaker 0
Right. Right. Like I said, Speaker 1
that wasn't interesting. Speaker 3
That you see the, White House stuff? Yes. I wouldn't I wouldn't condone that. But Speaker 0
Within moderation. Within moderation. Speaker 3
What you mean. Speaker 0
You know what Yeah. Speaker 3
You it builds it builds a little brotherhood besides just going to work. And, you know, I a hundred and sixty games of, baseballs, that's a long season. I I could see, you know, I'd be a little redundant after, you know, just, Speaker 0
after a while. Speaker 2
Like I Speaker 0
said, I'm not saying all Speaker 3
the time. I know what I'm not I know what you're mean. Yeah. Speaker 0
Some of that. Speaker 3
And I think that's what we did. We did we built, we built the bond outside of the building. Speaker 0
Yep. Exactly. That's what I'm Speaker 3
talking about. Speaker 0
However you do that Yeah. However you do, however Speaker 3
you do, however you do that. Go out and have dinner and just hang out and Speaker 0
just, you Speaker 3
know, we gotta build some, you know, relationship just, you know, because, you know, I think that's what's not great about sports, especially art, you know, in football is that you don't have to like each other, but you gotta respect each other. And if some guys going out and partying and and not taking care of business, you know, making a lot of mental errors and the reason why someone capitalize on the other mental mistake, then they're gonna call you out. So I think that that's what we kinda you know, you gotta have that. You gotta you gotta build that that that bonding with each other. Speaker 0
Right. Speaker 3
Just on, hey. We're gonna sit here and do you know, you know, we're gonna sit here and and do a podcast, but after that, you know, we're not we're gonna go home to separate way. I mean, just kinda use that as an example. You gotta build that relationship, but we did that. Speaker 0
With it. Yeah. Yeah. It's a very strong foundation. Okay. With that being said, how how how strong is that bond still to this day? I mean, how many of those guys do you still stay in touch with and keep up with? Speaker 3
Well, I we get to see each other. We and I think that's one thing that Jerry and and and coach Schottenheimer did and since he took over is that he's already invited us back. Because I think he really and and, again, I didn't I always thought Mike McCarthy was this guy, you know, this big fat dude on the sideline. I'd say fat. I mean, he he was robust. Speaker 0
There we go. Speaker 3
I'm sorry. It it's I'm not body shaming anyone. I'm fine. My bad. Speaker 0
Yes. We're we're we're fine. You're fine. Speaker 2
But he Speaker 3
look he looks like he's one of those guys that used to go and have a burger with a with a a cold beer. Right? Yeah. But, it seemed like that wasn't his personality. He's more a professional guy and just kinda kept his head down and really just kinda, hey. Look. I'm I'm Mike McCarthy, and and I I won a Super Bowl at the Green Bay and yada yada. Oh, by the way, you had Aaron Rodgers. You had Aaron Rodgers, and and so you had some pretty good quarterback. So, so I under I I just it's a different different again, I would mention it's a different, vibe and and and really just, he wants to make this an environment where, you know, the players understand, you know, what, you know, what built this legacy and everything. And so I I I I see that, and I think he's a lot of accountability too. And and and that's why, I mean, when I first the the whole MICA trade, I was just thinking to myself, like a lot of other people and former players, is that's one of your best I I think he was the best player they had on that team Yeah. By far. Speaker 2
A lot Speaker 0
of people think that. Yeah. Speaker 3
So I'm just saying I'm thinking this is first year, and, hopefully, this is not gonna detour that. But you don't know. There must be other things going on with Micah that people maybe it wasn't a team guy or anything like that, but I think that's different. I don't know if that's gonna equate to them winning twelve games. I mean, I don't know if that's gonna be the, you know, the the number or what they're getting success they're gonna do, but have, but, he he's saying the right things, and I just feel like he's the kind of guy that when you look at him, he's he's not full of bullshit. Yeah. And that's I think that's what I like about it. It's his personality. Speaker 0
And it does take somebody special. You know, it takes a special kind of personality trait, whether it be the approach that Jimmy had instilling that fear or the ability to relate like it appears Shadi has to relate to these dudes who are grown ass men who are getting paid way more than you are. You have to have you have to have a a different approach to how you're gonna motivate that group of people. It's not like coaching a bunch of high school kids. And this is a completely different Speaker 3
Well, it's I think the brand too is that is that I was talking to Troy one time or I asked him a question. I was and I and I said, hey. What do you what do you think the difference would be in now and you know, then and now? I said, well, I'd probably have about five million followers on Instagram because now that's the you know, that's Yeah. Speaker 0
It's crazy. Speaker 3
With the cowboy brand, it's automatic, you know, because it's a brand and it's more celebrity. It's more me and, you know, this platform as opposed to just and I think sometimes kind of people just I I don't know if that's it's inaccurate accurate, but I think, really, I think a lot of guys get caught up in that when they haven't done anything at all. Speaker 0
What the Speaker 3
hell have you done for me lately? Speaker 0
Yeah. Right. Speaker 2
And I Speaker 3
think the the old school guys and the fans and everything else who follow these guys and, you know, celebrity athlete, you know, at the end of the day, you gotta give them something to what they're paying for. Speaker 1
Right. Speaker 3
And not paying to go just, be part of the spectacle. You wanna be part of greatness whenever they finish the season. Speaker 1
Mhmm. What along those lines, what do you think of college athletics and the NIL and everything going on there? Is that is this good or bad? Are we heading in a positive direction or or negative? Speaker 3
I I don't really you know, I I was the biggest, OU guy. I mean, I obviously, that's why I had my career at Oklahoma. And I just I think the NIL and the transfer porters run college football. Although there were some great games this last weekend, I mean, there were some some hellacious games. But I think that they they need to fix it. I I mean, NCAA also I don't know what they were thinking about. It's like, hey. It's just like a free for all. Speaker 0
Yeah. Speaker 3
You know, the NIL money. Again, you know, high school kids, I heard high there's, they're paying high school kids and NIL. I mean, that's ridiculous. Speaker 0
Yeah. And then you've got the transfer portal. The transfer portal. Just like the it's it's the wild west in college football right now. Speaker 3
And you pay somebody you pay, you know, these players making them two or three million dollars a year, and then they transfer the next year. And there's not really any you know, there's there's no retention there, and there's there's no not loyalty, but, hey. Look. Let's get a couple of years from you. Speaker 0
Yeah. Speaker 3
And I was like, last night, I was watching North Carolina and TCU Yeah. And, Bill Belichick or welcome to the college football. Speaker 0
Is that not effing insane? Speaker 3
It is. It's weird, you see. Speaker 0
That he would put up with this shit. Like, he doesn't have to. He's rich AF. He's got a girlfriend who's fifty years younger than him. What do Speaker 3
you guys think about that, Bob? I was gonna ask you. Speaker 0
I know. I feel like I feel like Speaker 3
God bless him. Speaker 0
Well, God bless him. Yes. Speaker 3
No. I I'm just I that's another subject. Yes. My point being is that she it's man. Speaker 1
Yeah. I can't be real. Right? She's praying on him. Speaker 0
Who wants to Speaker 3
that? Seventy one, and Speaker 2
I'm looking at it. Speaker 3
It's like, dude, he he's Speaker 0
He's not hot. Speaker 2
Yeah. I Speaker 3
I think she's got she must have something on him or something. I I what? Speaker 0
It it it's so perplexing to me, and I feel like if the roles were reversed and this was a, you know, twenty five year old dude going after a seventy five year old woman, we would all be up in arms. Why? He was taking advantage of her. Speaker 3
Because she had she she had money. Right. Speaker 0
And then there's no Yeah. I think she's she's preying on the elderly. I really feel that. Speaker 3
Think it's elderly abuse? Speaker 0
I do. I she's so bossy and stuff. Speaker 1
She does. Speaker 3
I don't know. Speaker 2
She But Speaker 1
I She owns him, it seems like. Speaker 3
Yeah. He's he's winning rings in all different kind of categories. Speaker 1
Right? I guess so. I guess so. Speaker 3
Anyway, I like talking about this one. Speaker 2
I Speaker 1
know. Everything else. Now he just needs a side piece. Speaker 0
He's got the ultimate bragging rights at the retirement home. Speaker 3
You know Speaker 2
what I'm Speaker 0
gonna be like, yeah. Speaker 3
You know what I'd have to the sleeves was cut off. And he did look a little robust when I was watching him on the side Speaker 0
of the night. Just and the stuff he's doing, the crazy shit on social media where he's, like, pretending like he's a fisherman. He's dressing up as a fisherman, and she's a mermaid or something. I'm like, Speaker 3
who is this me? And that's the least guy I would think because he's so he's always always you gotta be in control. Right? Speaker 0
I I mean, like He Speaker 3
has no control. Speaker 0
Yeah. And he Speaker 3
So it's kinda like, how did he, like, change? Speaker 0
It doesn't make sense. None of it. I Speaker 1
think we all know. We all know how. Speaker 0
It must be golden. Speaker 1
Way. It Speaker 0
must be golden. It must be Speaker 1
golden. And he's not gonna Speaker 3
say one word. Drugs, man. I gotta Speaker 0
give you Speaker 1
some of those drugs. Seriously. Speaker 3
Anyways, what was your question then? Speaker 0
No. I just it's insanity to me. It is. It really is. It is. Like, it's Speaker 3
one word. Up at practice, and she Yes. She's I mean, she's I don't know. What are Speaker 1
they saying? Speaker 3
She's like She's kind of a got that bitchy kind of I Speaker 0
was just about saying. Speaker 3
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am. No. She's Speaker 0
oh, she is bitchy. Yeah. I mean, she's like Speaker 3
She's got she's, like, taking him in control and it Speaker 0
It would be like honestly, it would if this happened to Jimmy Johnson, in my opinion. So it that's it's I put them on the same, like, crazy football coach. This is my whole life as Jimmy Johnson. Speaker 3
That's a great that's a great You Speaker 0
know what I mean? Speaker 3
Comparison. Oh, yeah. Speaker 0
Except for Jimmy's at least handsome. Speaker 3
Yeah. Speaker 0
Sorry, Bill. Speaker 3
But, no, the fact Speaker 0
I'm way too old for him anyway. Speaker 3
I should have Speaker 0
to worry about it. Yeah. Way too old about about his age. Hey. I was like, Speaker 3
why can't you go out there and find you a hot forty year old? Speaker 0
Hot. There's plenty of them Speaker 2
out there? Speaker 0
I know. Speaker 3
But, yeah, it's just so unusual to to thank. But back to the whole him yeah. I I don't know why he Speaker 0
sense. Speaker 3
To see him coaching in college football and He Speaker 2
doesn't need this. Speaker 3
That's eighty transfer portal guys that come on, you know, out Speaker 0
of transfer people. Speaker 3
But it's it's hard it's hard to watch because, again, it's like you're paying some guy, and he's, you know, he he take the money and run the next year. So I just think that they have to it it's it's professional sports. Speaker 2
Yeah. Speaker 3
And so here's what bothers me is some of these guys get so sensitive because you criticize them, these college athletes, but they're eighteen. They're making four million dollars a year. I'm sorry. Yeah. You know, if you're Archie Manning junior or whoever you are, you know, you're making that you're gonna get criticized. There's not like any oh, you know, he's only seventeen. Yeah. Speaker 1
He's just he's Speaker 3
a grown ass man now. Yeah. Speaker 2
Yeah. Speaker 3
Because he's making four million a year, and that's my guy. And I'm paying to go watch him, and he's getting paid. Speaker 1
Yeah. It just seems like it happened so fast. It it Speaker 0
It happened. Linked in house. During COVID. I remember the because I remember I was I remember when I was when I was on a walk, and they said, like, the law whatever lawsuit or whatever ruling that came down from whatever, that it I was like, here we go. It it is going to be the wild west because certain schools will just be like, we are gonna blow this thing fucking out of the water until they tell us we can't anymore. And that's exactly what's happened. Speaker 3
Yeah. And I mean, who would have thought they'd blow it up like this, though? Speaker 0
Oh, and then the transfer portal is a whole I mean, it's just all it's crazy. It's like, you know, we always talked about, you know, how what NFL coaches have to deal with. Well, now college coaches, it do you put recruiting, transfer, or NIL? I mean Speaker 3
There's no way. I had a chance to be a college coach or, in the NFL. There's no way I could be you know, Nick Saban, I think he got, I mean, he got out when he could because he's such a control guy. Speaker 0
Yeah. You're not messing with this. Speaker 3
Guys I mean, I got paid when I was playing at OU. I got the thousand dollar handshakes. Speaker 0
Yeah. Speaker 3
But I I couldn't imagine. And to your point about COVID, there's guys that were in college football for ten years. Right. Speaker 1
I know. Speaker 0
They'd be like, he's like, twenty eight, Speaker 2
thirty nine Speaker 1
year olds. Speaker 3
He's a he's a tenth he's a tenth year senior. Speaker 1
Yeah. Oh my god. It was. It was Speaker 0
absolutely insane. Speaker 1
Okay. It is the mom game, though. So real quick, just, wanna touch on parenting. Oh, yeah. You've got a couple of kids. Right? Speaker 3
I have three kids. Speaker 1
Three kids. Speaker 3
I'm a puppy now. I I have a five year Speaker 0
old grandson. We called my my daddy. Speaker 1
We called my puppy. Puppy. Yeah. Speaker 3
It's going good. My I'm poppy, and, my my wife's, she's Coco. Speaker 1
Oh, I can't hear you. Speaker 3
Give a damn. I I can just Yeah. But I like Poppy. Yeah. It's going good. It's going really good. Speaker 1
Old is your grandbaby? Speaker 3
Five months old. Speaker 1
Five months old. Speaker 3
And what's weird is that he looks exactly like my son when he was five months old. Exactly. Like, there's no there's no doubt that that's not his, you know, not his his son. Speaker 1
Yeah. And Speaker 3
I feel I feel jeans. I feel bad for my daughter-in-law because I'm like, well, maybe the girl look hopefully, the girl look like you. Speaker 1
Yeah. It'll come out just be a boy with long hair. Like, the whole Speaker 3
It's pretty fascinating. Yeah. It's just a it's a different perspective. Yeah. You guys are obviously a long, long way from them, and you never know. But, Speaker 1
it's enough. Speaker 2
To No. I I'm sorry. Very much. Wait. Wait. Speaker 0
Wait. It's gonna be a long way away. Speaker 3
Oh, I know. It's a long, long way. Kidding. I I Speaker 0
Yes. You never know. I do know. Damn it. It's gonna be a long way away. Speaker 3
Hey. I'm saying that to my twenty five year olds, but, yeah. So it's, it's it's cool. It really is. Speaker 0
Yeah. What all have you been doing in the almost thirty years since you left the game? Speaker 3
Has it been thirty? It Speaker 0
well, I mean, you said ninety eight. Right? Ninety seven ninety eight ninety seven. Damn. So that would be it'll be your twenty eight. Speaker 3
So, when I first I retired, I got into broadcasting, the radio, TV, did that, played a lot of golf, started gotten a lot of business ventures, made money, lost money. And then, I, I've been very fortunate. Play a lot of golf now. I love to work out. That's my passion. I mean, I think Speaker 0
can tell. Speaker 3
Well, I mean, I appreciate that. But I I think that, one of the things that, you know, as a former NFL player, I remember when they first came in NFL PA, they met with the players, and they said, hey, guys. The mortality rate for rate for for NFL players that played certain years is is a certain age. I'm like, wow. You know, when you're twenty five, you're not thinking about that. Okay. I'm never gonna it's gonna be forever. Speaker 1
Being a pappy. Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not thinking about yeah. Papi. Yeah. Papi, pappy, something like you can call me grandpa, papa, Speaker 2
or whatever. Speaker 0
Spain, Italy. Right. Yeah. All the same. Yeah. Speaker 3
So so, Speaker 2
so Speaker 3
I I I just, I never thought about it until I got out of I retired. And then I started seeing other guys I play with in college and NFL, they're gone. So I just think I think for me, cognitively, it's more it's more therapy for me to be able to have that tie of euphoric feeling and still be able to do it. I mean, you still your body's battered, but still, it just does a whole lot. So I I enjoy doing that, traveling, kinda sell semi retired. But I I I just, I've been fortunate. I just try to, you know, I just try to keep in the lane and just try to do this, you know, do things and and, you know, not do it do it sooner than later. Speaker 0
Yeah. Mhmm. Speaker 3
You know? Yeah. Because that's really you know, you talk about moms. I just lost my mom about a month ago. Oh, I'm so sorry. Yeah. And so I always think about, you know, with the mom, especially, the mom's your your son's first love. So I'm thinking, nah. I just wanna do things. You know? I wanna do things while I can and enjoy and Smart. Speaker 2
While I'm Speaker 3
still active. You know? Speaker 1
Spend as much time with your family as you can and and make those memories. Did your kids play sports at all? Speaker 3
They did. Speaker 1
Uh-huh. How was that? Speaker 3
I think there's this whole version of of as an athlete and having your kids, if you've been successful, that there is kind of this pressure that you kind of put on them because just because they're Yeah. Whoever their parents are. So I really didn't I didn't really, like, push it down the throat like some of these other parents do. I mean, I'm sure that you guys have Speaker 1
been around. A lot on Speaker 0
youth sports. Speaker 3
I hate it. I hate it. I mean, I hated the fact that the way these, you know, these parents and especially now with NIL and all these people, it's like, oh, yeah. And I'm sure you Speaker 0
guys But we don't have parents until pro is paid. We can get paid before. Speaker 3
So, hey. Take care of mom and daddy when you get and so, I never really did I wanted to play, and I but I I I was really had a lot of anxiety watching them play football because, you know, it's just as a parent, it's totally different as an athlete doing it. You don't think about that. So I just I always I always I always wanna make sure that they wanna understood the fundamentals and understood the game. And, you know, you don't have to be you know, you don't have to play a hundred and fifty select baseball games or go to all this, you know, all these different academies and everything. And but, yeah, I just I I my son, my youngest one, Jett, twins, and Sofia and then Chase, my oldest one, he got a he got a bad concussion, like a bad one his senior year in in in high school. And I'm Speaker 2
and Speaker 3
I tell you what, that was a that hit me hard. Speaker 0
Yeah. And Speaker 3
you guys know, you know, football is a violent game. Speaker 2
Yeah. I Speaker 3
saw that. I'm like, man. I said, I want you to play football again. Speaker 0
Yeah. Speaker 3
And he, you know, he went he didn't play he played in high school, but, yeah, I just you guys talk about this. Speaker 1
We talk about this a lot. Speaker 3
It's an asinine. Right? Speaker 1
We are. Speaker 3
What are these parents thinking about? Speaker 0
It's a lot. It's a lot. I mean, it and I I think about and, I mean, I'm guilty of some of it. I mean, we're we've been on a select baseball team for a number of years for Henry because we thought it was best for him, but then we're you know, Hattie's about she's playing flag football, and then she's playing you know, she was looking at club soccer, and, fortunately, I pushed her I'm sorry. Club volleyball. Thank god we dropped soccer a few years ago. Club volleyball, and I was, like, was looking at the price tag and the time commitment. And, you know, this organization wanted you to, like, text them pictures of their dinner the night before a tournament, like, Speaker 1
to make sure they're eating healthy. Kids. These, like, children. Speaker 3
And I'll meet I'll meet a cheeseburger with a French fries. Right. What do Speaker 1
we do? Oh, forgot Speaker 3
to trick you Speaker 1
my milkshake. Speaker 2
And then yeah. And Speaker 3
then We're just gonna let this go. Speaker 0
Right. Then I'm the kind of parent that's like, f you. You can't tell me what to feed my kids. You don't ask. Are you serious? Speaker 1
Yes. You do not Speaker 3
Oh my god. That's taking a different level. Speaker 0
It's all everything. Much. All it's all crazy. It's all crazy. And I I just it's it's like every, you know, season, it seems like, you hear or experience something else that's just so fucking next level. Speaker 2
You know, Speaker 3
I'm a little nervous. Though as a parent? Speaker 2
Because you Speaker 3
gotta you don't you don't feel like because some I think some, like Speaker 1
Oh, that's real. Speaker 3
Yeah. Like, I feel some people fall. They get and and influenced because they feel like, oh, Johnny or Jennifer, she's in the club soccer or club volleyball or football or whatever. I gotta I gotta get in there because, you know, they gotta play at that level when they're eight years old. Speaker 0
Yeah. Yeah. We've we've tried to be good about I mean, there's a couple decisions we've made that been like, we feel like felt like early on, it was in the best interest if we go this way instead of this way. But I think now we really try to we just we let our kids dictate. Like, do you wanna play this sport? Speaker 3
That's great. Yeah. Speaker 0
Then I'm like, then if if there's, like, the slightest hesitation, it's like, no. It takes too much time, too much energy, too much effort, not just on you, but on us as well, too much money. Like, if you don't if you're not into it and you don't love it, like, let's punt it. Like, we don't have to do it. Yeah. And so I think once they reach a cert I think in the beginning, you're trying to expose them to everything, which is kinda where Julie is right now. Speaker 2
Yeah. Speaker 0
I think Julie's kids are in, like, every sport that's ever been invented. But you're trying to figure out Speaker 1
There's some they're not doing. Right. But the tough thing that we're experiencing is fourth grade, everyone's going club. Fourth grade. Speaker 0
That's cool. Speaker 1
My son is in fourth grade, and he's had multiple teams disintegrate the rec level. So I'm coaching my husband and I are coaching a random rec soccer team this year just to keep it alive. Speaker 3
That's great. Speaker 2
Like, just Speaker 1
I don't know any of these boys. We don't know if they've played before. It's gonna be it's gonna be wild. It'll Speaker 0
be fun, though. Speaker 1
But it's just because he still wanted to play soccer, and I didn't wanna put him in club. Yeah. And it's just sad that that's the way things are going. Speaker 3
To pigeonhole, and I think it's like, oh, you gotta pick. Oh, you either gotta do do you have baseball player or especially in high school? Yep. That's a good baseball player, basketball, you know, football Speaker 0
Yeah. Speaker 3
Volleyball. This is what you gotta do. It's like, what happened to the days whenever you just play? And I think that's what you guys just stood. You know? It's like, let them don't don't don't make it don't put any pressure on. If they wanna do it, let them do Speaker 0
it. Yeah. Speaker 3
You know? It's I I'm I don't y'all do it for me. I'm not living vicariously through you. Speaker 0
Right. And I think too a lot I think my job has has made me not so that way because I've seen and all the guys that I've talked to are, like, I my advice would be play as many sports as you can as long as you can. Like, I don't know. I just and I I realized the the level that you have to be at in order to make it at the highest level, and the odds of that happening Speaker 3
Parents have no clue. Speaker 0
Are very slim. And so it's like, I want you to play these sports because I want them to teach you discipline, hard work, being a good teammate, all those kind of things. Do I do I hope that you make it to the big leagues? Absolutely. I hope that. Do I think that that's a reasonable expectation? Absolutely not. Speaker 3
Right. Speaker 0
But you can take those things that I just talked about. Those things that that's gonna take you far if you learn how to play hard, have fun, be a good teammate, learn discipline, structure, all that kind of stuff. That's gonna help you not just to try to be a baseball player. That's gonna help you in any sort of profession. And I I think we just lose sight of that, and so many parents get their identity from what their kid does on the field. Speaker 1
Too for the parents. It's like, all these other parents are all doing this club, and I wanna go to Yeah. And it's Speaker 0
like two the the the ones that kill me are the ones that only like, they'll post, like, a picture of their kid playing soccer or whatever. And then they have to tell you how many goals they scored, how many shot attempts, and came up just short, but we got the runner-up ring or like, it's like, is it okay if we just post a picture of our kid in his uniform? Like, I don't I'm not gonna tell you his stats. Like, I don't I just feel like there's just that so much validation coming from parents and that the kids can feel that even if you don't tell it to them verbally. They can see that that, you know and it's one thing to be proud, but I feel like so many parents get their identity about what little Johnny is able to do on a football field, on a basketball court, on a baseball field, on a volleyball court, whatever. It's just a Speaker 3
little Johnny. Trying to throw a slider when he's ten. Speaker 1
Yeah. Right. Exactly. Speaker 3
In his arm. Oh my god. I'm sure. You you know, you guys have stories idea. Speaker 2
Oh, Speaker 3
yeah. Like, out there, you know, you have Tommy John surgery when he's fifteen or set set I've heard stories like that. Speaker 0
My husband is so adamant about Henry's a pitcher, and he's a pretty good little pitcher. He doesn't I mean, he doesn't throw terribly hard. He's smart. He likes to mix his pitches. Like, it's I I love watching him pitch. But my my husband is so adamant about, like, he will only let him throw so many pitches, and Henry gets so pissed. And, you know, and we try to tell him all the time, like, he's just looking out for you. Like, we just want you to we just it's just not smart. Yeah. You know, you're too young. Speaker 3
Forty years old. You gotta let the body develop. Speaker 0
But then you go to these tournaments, and there's these coaches that will just ride a kid. And, thankfully, there are parameters in place, but it's those are even a little high. It's just like it it's just it's just sad. It's sad on the parental level. It's sad on the these people running these organizations and tournaments and all that. It's just Speaker 3
They have they still have the parents, like, screaming at at their kid in the stands and Speaker 0
Oh, yeah. Speaker 3
Oh, yeah. Speaker 1
Oh, yeah. You can tell. Yeah. Oh. The kids that, like, hang their head when they're walking into a game or out of a game, you know that they're getting ripped, like, by their parents, and it's not fun. Speaker 3
And, you know, most of those guy most of those kids, they use they usually end up quit quitting when Speaker 1
they're fourteen. They're tired of it. Speaker 3
I'm like, I don't wanna listen to you anymore. And then my parents Speaker 0
Like, I know Speaker 1
a way to shut my parents up. Just quit. Yeah. I'm just the only way to stop yelling Speaker 2
at me. Let them let Speaker 3
them have fun. Speaker 2
Right. Speaker 1
And that's that's what I think what it comes down to. I think it's all about having fun at this point. Speaker 0
I know. But just And people Speaker 1
who aren't doing that and and take the fun out of the game. It's just Speaker 0
I don't know. Sad. Speaker 3
Little Johnny can make a million dollars. Speaker 1
Right. On the NIL. Speaker 3
Let's go. Speaker 1
Get my money sooner. Nash going. Yeah. A little bit investment in my end. Yeah. Speaker 0
It pays off. Yeah. Speaker 1
It's crazy. It's crazy. But well, that's why we like having those conversations, and we love the perspective Yeah. From somebody like you who's won Super Bowls and played in the NFL. Speaker 3
Well, here's the thing also is that I really think that, you know, you're talking about sports and literally, you know, and high school sports. It's amazing how intimidating these these coaches are when you have, you know, a son or or a daughter that has a a, you know, their parents or, you know, one of the parents, a professional athlete, and they've had success, how insecure and intimidated they get when they wanna give their input. Speaker 0
Yeah. Speaker 3
And that's another thing that drives me crazy. And I had a I had a hard time. You know, my wife says, you know, sometimes you just don't know when to shut up. And there's a Speaker 0
I've heard that a time or two. Speaker 3
You heard that before? Speaker 0
Not from your wife, but from my husband. Speaker 1
From his wife? Speaker 3
I said that to Speaker 0
you? Oh, no. Speaker 3
Oh, no. Oh, I was gonna say. Speaker 0
Not from Speaker 1
your wife. I'll talk about that. Speaker 0
Husband. Yeah. I know. I know. Speaker 1
Okay. Okay. Y'all have me to call back. Speaker 0
You talk too much or she talks too much. Speaker 3
Oh, I always talk Speaker 0
too much. Okay. Same. Speaker 3
Yeah. Speaker 0
We I can identify. Speaker 3
So I I I always always always felt like, what is the deal? Because I'm a I wanna I I live in a community. I wanna volunteer. I wanna help your team out. But some of these coaches, and especially some of these coaches are in a in a bubble coaching a bubble where they their their athletic program or football program is not very good. They don't wanna hear the input of, you know, someone that's had experience and wants to go help these guys because they're intimidated. Or I don't know whatever insecurity they are. Like, dude, I'm just trying to help out. Oh, we don't need your help. You know? Even though Speaker 0
Or do they just know it all? Speaker 3
Oh, exactly. Uh-huh. They know it all. Speaker 0
There's a lot of that. Speaker 3
Yeah. We know more I know more a lot more than you do. Uh-huh. You know, I played junior high school football. Now I'm a coach, so I know everything because that's my, you know Yep. Yeah. That's my my expertise. Speaker 1
Right? Or maybe they don't want you to come in and be like, hey. You all need to chill out. Y'all are crazy. Speaker 3
Oh, I've done Speaker 0
that before. Good. Speaker 3
And that's what I I Gotta keep Speaker 1
it real with Speaker 3
these people. Yeah. And and I think that that sometimes with and I hear that a lot with profess with the former athletes. Yeah. It's not just it's kinda it's kinda the the way, you know, that's the norm, it seems like. And and there's some Speaker 0
But those are the chill ones. Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah. And there is some coaches that are like, hey. Look. What hey. Help me out. I don't I don't want your job. I just wanna make you you know, I just wanna give back. So it just seems to me it's just they're kinda resistant to that. Speaker 0
Right. You're all you can do is try. You're welcome to come to McLean Middle School anytime and help the Speaker 3
I'll throw some Speaker 0
I'm sure they will. Speaker 3
Throw some throw some junk? Speaker 0
I'm sure. I'm well, no. I was thinking more football. Speaker 1
I'm sure I'm Speaker 3
sure the football coaches Speaker 0
at McLean would love would love to have that. Speaker 1
I need a Speaker 0
soccer coach. Yeah. You guys? Like a Speaker 3
My daughter used to play. We said no tushies and no tushies, Matt. Run. Run. And, you know, it was like, they were all in it just to have fun. Speaker 0
Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 3
I don't care. Speaker 0
Which is important. Speaker 3
You know, if you wanna you wanna take it to another level, that's on you. Speaker 1
Yeah. Exactly. Speaker 3
I think you just need to have your kids play golf. That's that's a that's a good sport. Speaker 1
Working on it too. Speaker 3
Let's go. Speaker 1
Yeah. You're not gonna get your head Speaker 3
banged. Absolutely. Speaker 0
Yeah. Very safe. Speaker 1
Stay in one piece. Speaker 0
Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 3
That way you can play with dad or mom and get an excuse to be on the golf course. Speaker 1
Hey. I'm gonna Speaker 3
play golf with my kids. Speaker 1
And for the last forever. It. Speaker 3
Yeah. My wife Speaker 1
can just tell your husband, hey. Take him to go play golf with him. They're both happy. They both get out of your hair. Speaker 3
You know, that's Speaker 2
what I Speaker 3
feel woman right there. Speaker 1
Yeah. Right? Go. Speaker 3
Hey, honey. Yeah. Hey. Do you wanna make a tee time for you? Speaker 0
Yeah. Exactly. Well Standing tee time. Oh, by Speaker 3
the way, Speaker 2
stay at Speaker 3
the nineteenth hole as long as you're way Speaker 0
out to the Speaker 1
Right. And then come home, and all I wanna do is talk about your best shot Speaker 2
of the day. Speaker 3
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yes. Oh, I'm sorry. Speaker 1
Tell me about that. Speaker 3
Hundred too. Oh, that's okay. You're still a great guy. Speaker 1
Here. Probably need a foot massage. Tell me about Speaker 0
that approach on number eight. Speaker 3
Let me rub your shoulders. Hey. Would you like a would you like a would you like, some, scotch or would you need cold beer? Speaker 0
Cocktail. Tough day at the Speaker 3
off field. And that that ain't happening. Speaker 0
Right? Well, yeah, it's not happening at our house. Speaker 2
We'll dry Speaker 1
our best. Speaker 0
Well, Tony could see us. Thank you so much for being with us. I'm so glad we were finally able to make this work. And then, hopefully, we'll see you around soon, and Absolutely. We'd love to have you back on. Get a little get a little, Cowboys match during the season. Speaker 1
Halfway through, we can talk about what I'm Speaker 0
Yeah. We'll do a piece of report. Speaker 3
We'll see how right we were and Speaker 0
how wrong we were. Exactly. Right? Well, Tony, thanks so much. We really want that. Thanks, ladies. So we end every episode, look into your camera, we throw up the peace signs, and we say mom game out. It's cheesy, but we've Speaker 2
done it every episode since we started. So here we go. One, two, three. Mom game out. 
